Ricardo testimony – And labeling/terms

Here is an uplifting testimony I recently found that you should enjoy reading about and watching.  Ricardo’s experience is quite different from most of ours, but we can still learn from it.  I think it’s a really powerful and helpful testimony, even though a couple things made me uncomfortable, such as the church members insisting Ricardo work so hard to change his bodily movements and mannerisms.  While that might be helpful to some degree, and certainly not a bad thing to work on in the long run, it’s totally secondary to the issue of him identifying himself as a man.

And – An ex-transvestite’s story
And – No One Too Tough

Watching this old video hits home to me how much terms and labels for people like us have changed in recent years.  My hunch is that people watching this today would think that the labels are no longer accurate or helpful (conflating transvestites and homosexuals for example), and some might even think the ways Ricardo describes himself are not accurate.   I agree that the people in the video seem a bit ignorant compared to our understandings today of these types of people.  But we have to remember that even today people can’t agree on what terms mean like “crossdressing, transgender, transsexual, intersex, homosexual, etc.”  There are many many more terms and people all seem to use the terms differently.  This is one reason I don’t spend too much time on my site trying to nail down different terms.  The resources and articles I share use the terms differently anyway.  It’s more helpful I think to explore the issues of crossdressing and gender, and readers can see what applies to them personally and what does not.

But another reason I don’t get too worked up about the labels is that I think there is a lot of overlap.  I think that the liberals in our culture, and a lot of homosexual and transgender activists try really hard to nail down labels and categories of people, but I think the fact is is that there is a lot of overlap among these groups of people.  Maybe we don’t need to try to nail down whether Ricardo was a transsexual or just a crossdressing prostitute, or a homosexual person.  Maybe he was all at once.  I’ve read too many testimonies now to believe that there is no overlap between these groups.  The liberal community loves to talk about a spectrum of gender.  As I said in my previous post, I completely reject this. There are men and there are women, and some few with biological ambiguity because of genetic abnormality.

I do however see somewhat of a spectrum in the crossdressing/transgender/homosexual community.  Well I guess it’s not really a spectrum but really a smorgasbord.  There are homosexuals who act masculinely and homosexuals who act femininely.  There are homosexuals who crossdress. There are heterosexuals who crossdress.  Some crossdress for comfort.  Some crossdress trying to live out their inner woman.  Some crossdress because they think they really are women.  Some who think they are women get surgeries to change their biology, some do not.  Some crossdress for sexual pleasure.  Some of these eventually get a sex change surgery.  Some say they are transsexual and homosexual, like mtf transsexuals who remain attracted to women.  Some try to live androngynously blending both genders.  Some try to reject gender altogether.  We can try to keep defining and labeling all of these people, but the people themselves often change or adopt new labels and new terms.  Again, I think it is much more helpful to spend our time looking at people’s thought processes, motivations, and the actual phenomena in their lives (such as same sex attraction, crossdressing, or living as the opposite sex) and discussing those things.  It’s too easy to speak past each other trying to use terms that can be taken in so many ways.


7 comments on “Ricardo testimony – And labeling/terms

  1. A Quiet Voice says:

    Hence my earlier reference to the
    Tower of Babel”. What the transgenderists , (or what I like to call, Militant Twans-whactivists), have done, is to so confuse and conflate the language that any meaningful discussion is impossible. This was done for a reason.

    The more confused the conversation, the more frustrated and disinterested the affected parties– those whose voices are lost in the cacophony of angry accusations of ‘bigot/transphobe, etc.–become, and ultimately leave the debate.

    The field is then abandoned to the militants who take the advantage to advance what ever crackpot “science” supports their particular perversion.

    Have you noticed how the legal basis for “marriage equality”, (IE, gay/homosexual marriage),is now being used to “advocate”/push for the legalization of polygamy.

    I see this entire affair as an organized pagan/secular attack on the traditional family and the Judeo-Christian values which served as the moral basis for arguably the greatest political system in history.

    This representative democracy is being consumed/destroyed before our very eyes while we stand silently in our personal fear and shame, willfully distracted by such nonsensical and useless debate about the differences/definition of male/female.

    God save us all!

    More psycho-babble….http://www.crossdreamers.com/2010/02/evolutionary-advantages-of-feminine-men.html


  2. thorin25 says:

    A Quiet Voice, are you using multiple internet connections and emails? It put this comment in spam for some reason.


  3. A Quiet Voice says:

    BTW…You must now be aware of the latest battle being waged in the ongoing culture war.

    Phil Robertson, the patriarch of “Duck Dynasty” a reality show, has been put on “indefinite hiatus”, by A&E Network, as a result of his comments to GQ Magazine, which characterized homosexuality, as “sinful” and a Biblical disqualification for a “heavenly reward”.

    Essentially what is going on IMHO, is just one more example of the secular Left’s policy of “inclusion, diversity and tolerance for everybody”, EXCEPT–if you disagree with their secular views regarding whatever libertine sexual practices might be your perversion du jour.

    The fallout is just beginning as the rest of the “Dynasty” family is re-thinking their continued participation in the program. The Gay/secular Left’s practice of exacting “consequences” for words and actions which do not conform to their “standards” as promulgated in the GLAAD Media Handbook, which essentially defines/characterizes any disagreement with their standards of morality as “hate speech”, needs to be resisted and exposed as the manipulative thought control that it is.

    Christians need to speak up loudly and proudly to defend our values openly and at the ballot box without fear of intimidation.

    May God give us strength and courage.


  4. Ralph says:

    The thing is, Quiet, he didn’t just stick to scripture and he didn’t deliver his message in a compassionate way. He went on to imply that homosexuality is the same as bestiality or pedophilia, and expressed personal observations about homosexuality that were clearly derogatory, meant to elevate himself by ridiculing homosexuals.

    I am not defending the gay lifestyle or denying the validity of Leviticus and 1 Corinthians; I’m only saying that Robertson could do better by expressing *with love and humility* the biblical truth. When you single out one particular sin that others commit, you make it sound (by omission) as though you consider yourself better than they are and you yourself are free of sin. Even Phil’s family acknowledged that his remarks were “coarse”, and that doesn’t benefit the Kingdom at all no matter how right the message is under the coarse delivery.


  5. A Quiet Voice says:

    By extrapolating quotes and just plain old lying, the elite media are using a GQ interview with “Duck Dynasty” patriarch Phil Robertson as an excuse to go on an anti-Christian rampage that they hope will further their longstanding goal of toxifying Biblical beliefs as bigoted and anti-gay. If you read the full GQ interview, though, it is glaringly obvious that Robertson is anti-sin, not anti-gay, and that he believes we should all love one another.

    To begin with, the Duck Commander did not single out homosexual behavior; he listed over a half-dozen sins, including adultery, greed, bestiality, drunkenness, idolatry, etc. But the most important thing Robertson said I have yet to see anyone in the elite media report: “You put in your article that the Robertson family really believes strongly that if the human race loved each other and they loved God, we would just be better off. We ought to just be repentant, turn to God, and let’s get on with it, and everything will turn around.”

    Here’s the most important thing: in the article, Robertson said this just before he talked at length about sin.

    Obviously, context is everything when it comes to understanding truth, but context is also kryptonite to an anti-Christian media and left only interested in furthering their own bigoted agenda.

    If you look at the full context of what Robertson said, including the quote about loving one another that the media is going out of its way to not report, how can the media claim that Robertson said homosexuals are going to Hell? Or that he singled out homosexuals? Or that he compared homosexuality to bestiality.

    If Robertson compared homosexuality to bestiality, he also compared adultery, drunkenness and greed to bestiality — and no one is arguing that.

    You can only claim what the left and the media are claiming about Robertson if you are lying, and it is just a fact that through the act of omission (the quote above) and commission, the media are lying.

    Phil Robertson is anti-sin, believes we should all love one another, and believes we can all be saved through the grace of Jesus Christ.

    Only the media and the left could be offended by that.



  6. A Quiet Voice says:

    Robertson’s words in response to a question about sin: “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” Robertson told GQ. “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers-they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”


  7. thorin25 says:

    I don’t know the legalities of the whole thing, but it definitely is a symptom of what is going on in our culture. Technically legally this might not be an infringement of free speech, but it gets to what you were saying AQV, that any opinions are allowed, except certain opinions which people don’t like. Read this post – https://healingcd.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/do-not-judge-or-you-too-will-be-judged/. Gets at exactly what you are talking about


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